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    Tips on providing clear and concise feedback.

    Hello everybody, flash33 here and I am here tonight with some small little tips and steps to hopefully educate some more people on the process of providing good, decent and actually very helpful feedback. So without further ado, let us begin now, shall we?

    1. Make sure that your post is simple and easy enough to both read and understand as well.

    Making a fairly lengthy post about something is fine sometimes, but if it's all just one big block of text and/or has a bunch of words and/or phrases that no one (or at least very few people) understand(s), then it makes it harder for people to read and/or respond to it. Breaking your posts into separate paragraphs helps allot when navigating ones post as it makes it easier for people to both read it and also respond to it as well. I understand English isn't everyone's first language, that there are players of all ages and so forth. Just try your best to help us figure it out if we have questions.

    Also, when reading a post that is difficult to understand, try to pick out the key points and fill in the rest to understand what the poster is trying to say. When responding to those posts, if you have questions, don't be afraid to ask them what they meant by a specific point. A post that just says "what was that?" or "I didn't understand a word you said there." is not adding to the discussion and can also just be considered spam as well.

    2. Try to provide decent and reasonable feedback as to why you like or dislike something.

    This is one of the most important things when providing feedback on something. You need to make sure that your feedback is both clear and concise as well. If it's all just one big rant, then chances are people won't listen to it, and if you make a habit of posting multiple rants constantly, then the chances of people actually listening to you and/or taking you seriously goes down tremendously. However, if you bring up reasonable topics in both a respectful and reasonable manner then the chances of people actually listening to you and/or taking you seriously goes up.

    Here are some examples of both what not to do and what to do as well:

    What NOT to do: "I don't like the Jobu's Embrace power because of that annoying clattering. It should be changed immediately!"

    What TO do: "I like the Jobu's Embrace power, but I'm not too keen about it clattering so much during the spell. I think that the power would be better if it clattered just a little less often during the power in all honesty there."

    See the difference?

    The first example shows someone just complaining about the Jobu's Embrace's clattering and demanding that it be changed immediately without providing any sort of feedback or reasoning as to why they dislike it other than the fact that they find the clattering "annoying". The second example though shows a person who also is not too keen on how much the actual skulls in the power clatter in general. BUT, instead of just complaining and ranting about it like the first example shows, they actually provide a suggestion as to how they feel the power would be better in general while still being respectful about it in the process as well.

    3. If you have a complaint, make sure it's an actual reasonable complaint.

    I cannot stress this enough, you need to make sure that your complaint is actually a reasonable one before posting it. For instance, complaining about the Heck Kitty pet simply because it's a Cat and you dislike and/or hate Cats doesn't seem like a reasonable complaint. But, saying that you dislike Heck Kitty because you feel that it could be more like an actual Heck Kitty and providing an idea of how you think it could look better in general is a more reasonable complaint. Why? Because you're not just stating your dislike for something and that's it. No, you're also providing an idea and a suggestion on how you feel it could be improved for the better.

    4. Try to make sure that your bias doesn't take over and blind you from the truth and/or facts.

    Now I know that we can all just get all caught up in the heat of the moment, I get that. However, we need to make sure that our own personal biases don't prevent us from seeing other people's side of an argument as well. In the game called "League of Legends", Rule 3 of "The Summoner's Code" states to "Facilitate Civil Discussion". What this means is that it's perfectly fine to disagree with someone or something, but we shouldn't let our emotions, pride and biases get in the way of having a reasonable, fair, valid and respectful discussion with other people in the process.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Summoner's Code
    Facilitate Civil Discussion

    "To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." -Barry Goldwater

    As we mentioned earlier, we want you to give feedback, but being part of the community doesn't stop there. Whether you're in chat, in a game, or on the forums, there are plenty of people to meet, and plenty of topics to discuss. Whether you're discussing game balance and champion viability, trying to form a premade team, or just want to express your affection for the legendary and infamous Gentleman Cho'gath, we encourage you to share your thoughts with other players.

    When you choose to participate in a discussion with the rest of the playerbase, always try to be receptive to another player's point of view. If you keep an open mind, you'd be surprised what valuable information you can glean from your fellow players. Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight.
    If we let our pride and own personal biases take over, it can often blind us from the truth and facts of something, which can then make us just too darn stubborn to listen to reason. When this happens, all heck breaks lose (i.e. once peaceful and respectful conversations break down and turn into full blown rage fests instead). We need to try to make sure that this doesn't happen so that we can continue to have civil and reasonable discussions with each other.

    TL;DR (Too Long; Didn't Read):

    We need to make sure that if we have arguments and/or complaints about things that they are presented in both a reasonable and a respectful fashion there as well.
    For instance say that you have a problem with a spell: Okay then, what is it about the spell that you have a problem with exactly and why do you even have a problem with it in the first place? What ideas do you have that could possibly change the spell for the better? Is it a reasonable enough change that's both fair and valid to both aspects the game (i.e. both pvp and pve)?

    Those exact same questions can be applied to virtually anything in the game, but the important thing to keep in mind though is that we need to be both civil and respectful and open to constructive criticism regarding your ideas. Why? As really that's how good ideas are formed: through trial and error and feedback, planning and redesigning as well. The same thing applies when critiquing other people's ideas on something as well though. Remember, if it's just yelling and complaining about something without even trying to provide a solution to your so-called problem, then it's not considered constructive feedback. How can you expect people to get an idea of how exactly you want something to be added or changed if you won't even take the time to explain it to them in a calm, reasonable and respectable fashion in the first place?

    I hope that this has helped people get a better understanding of how to provide good and constructive feedback on stuff.

    Thanks in advance and as always thank you for your time.
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    Re: Tips on providing clear and concise feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by flash33 View Post
    Hello everybody, flash33 here and I am here tonight with some small little tips and steps to hopefully educate some more people on the process of providing good, decent and actually very helpful feedback as well. So without further ado, let us begin now, shall we?

    I hope that this has helped people get a better understanding of how to provide good and constructive feedback on stuff.

    Thanks in advance and as always thank you for your time.
    Great post and definitely great things to say! (Also awesome Armada Clockwork outfit and I'm glad I attended the last 9/11 Ceremony you held. )

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    Re: Tips on providing clear and concise feedback.

    Who here thinks I'm guilty of all of those?



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    Re: Tips on providing clear and concise feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by bestbrigain View Post
    Who here thinks I'm guilty of all of those?
    I don't know. I'm new so I haven't seen your posts. But if you're helpful, nice and appropriate (don't say any inappropriate material) - and, of course, always wanting to help others out, yet you, also of course, provide, as Flash33 said, "clear and concise feedback", then yes! I would believe you're guilty of all of those. But, however, the fact you're even asking is a little awkward and makes me doubt - no offense.

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    Re: Tips on providing clear and concise feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelpfulAuroraParker View Post
    I don't know. I'm new so I haven't seen your posts. But if you're helpful, nice and appropriate (don't say any inappropriate material) - and, of course, always wanting to help others out, yet you, also of course, provide, as Flash33 said, "clear and concise feedback", then yes! I would believe you're guilty of all of those. But, however, the fact you're even asking is a little awkward and makes me doubt - no offense.
    didn't read the part about appropriateness, just a bit of sarcasm cause I never split up my paragraphs.



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